Oy - of mice and men

How can anyone read Glenn Greenwald prattling on about how picked on he feels by the VRWC?? And remain so slavishly loyal to him as to defend his own behavior.

If his point is the supposed politicization of the military, then he’s certainly getting off the track by making the issue about Boylan and his snotty attitude towards himself.

I mean, how dare he be snotty to such a vaunted member of the press. Look at all his (GG) apologists and how they fawn over him, and his extensive bio. GG has an opinion and is paid to publish it. And how dare anyone take him to task for maybe not following the facts of a story or being loose with the context of quoted material. Yeah, maybe not in this case, but in previous cases?? Two points on a graph don’t make much of a trend, but a whole bunch of points do. And maybe the VRWC is piling on GG because well, it’s GG after all, and it gets more traffic then posting about more mundane topics like ethnic cleansing in LA.

I guess the only way to discuss the politicization of the media, er I mean, military is to throw around invective and make it an issue of a member of the armed forces being ’snide, hostile and nonresponsive’ to a member of the press. Even while such snideness, hostility, and non responsiveness, were in private emails.

Well, I guess, unless you just actually talk about the relationship between the media and the military.

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4 Responses to “Oy - of mice and men”

  1. on 30 Oct 2007 at 1:52 pm Lance

    Well, I guess, unless you just actually talk about the relationship between the media and the military.

    I really enjoy exchanges like that, and despite my disagreements with Joshua you really get the sense of the difference in dealing with the Greenwald crew and Josh in that passage. I used to try and discuss things in just that manner with Mona and other Greenwald minions until I learned it serves no purpose. Josh can see my points (usually) and I think he can see mine. I actually feel (most of the time) that even if I haven’t changed my views they are more well thought out for the effort. It is generally a constructive experience. I think that is true with Glasnost, though we are further apart on most issues than with Josh.

    Discussing things with Mona or the hard core Greenwald fans serves no purpose. It is all about victory, learning things or seeing things differently just does not happen. To disagree means you are the enemy plain and simple. The enemies in their world are evil figures indeed.

  2. on 30 Oct 2007 at 3:24 pm MichaelW

    Josh can see my points (usually) and I think he can see mine.

    Heh. Freudian slip? ;)

  3. on 30 Oct 2007 at 3:28 pm Lance

    Uh, I think you all knew what I meant to write, but good catch Michael. I am sure Josh will get a chuckle out of it.

  4. on 30 Oct 2007 at 10:39 pm crosspatch

    One needs only to read General US Grant’s memoirs to read about politicization of the military. His documentation of it starts with the Mexican War when Republican officers were given assignments from Democrat senior staff that were deemed less likely to make the Republican officers into war heros. But it didn’t work and Zachary Taylor became a war hero and President anyway. That behavior continued up to the Civil War too with Jeff Davis as Secretary of War appointing key Southern officers to certain duties and moving the bulk of US arms and ammunition to Southern arsenals just before the outbreak of hostilities.

    The military has always been political once you get over two stars on your shoulder.

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