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	<title>Comments on: Frank Miller&#8217;s Geostrategic Theory</title>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/12/22/frank-millers-geostrategic-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-225923</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Bush didn’t lie? WMD anyone!?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If you can persuade yourself to believe that it is remotely plausible that Bush would have stressed the WMD argument as forcefully as he did prior to the war, all the while supposedly in possession of definitive intelligence and foreknowledge that the WMDs were a fiction, and thereby knowing that it would soon be exposed &lt;em&gt;by himself&lt;/em&gt; as a lie, after he mounted an invasion in order to facilitate a search for weapons that he supposedly knew not to exist....well, with such personal handicaps on your side things, in future you might be more cautious about accusing others of hackery.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;...no one in their right state of mind would take an chicken hawk like Hanson seriously.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I offer some similar advice on this too: If one wishes to dismiss the seriousness of another, in order to do so successfully, one should take care to first establish their own seriousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Bush didn’t lie? WMD anyone!?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If you can persuade yourself to believe that it is remotely plausible that Bush would have stressed the WMD argument as forcefully as he did prior to the war, all the while supposedly in possession of definitive intelligence and foreknowledge that the WMDs were a fiction, and thereby knowing that it would soon be exposed <em>by himself</em> as a lie, after he mounted an invasion in order to facilitate a search for weapons that he supposedly knew not to exist&#8230;.well, with such personal handicaps on your side things, in future you might be more cautious about accusing others of hackery.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;no one in their right state of mind would take an chicken hawk like Hanson seriously.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I offer some similar advice on this too: If one wishes to dismiss the seriousness of another, in order to do so successfully, one should take care to first establish their own seriousness.</p>
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		<title>By: WatchedMen</title>
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		<dc:creator>WatchedMen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush didn&#039;t lie? WMD anyone!? I think Linda has been smoking crack, like most of the neocon worldview which has nothing to do with reality. Miller is a worn out hack, no one in their right state of mind would take an chicken hawk like Hanson seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush didn&#8217;t lie? WMD anyone!? I think Linda has been smoking crack, like most of the neocon worldview which has nothing to do with reality. Miller is a worn out hack, no one in their right state of mind would take an chicken hawk like Hanson seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Morgan</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/12/22/frank-millers-geostrategic-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-225846</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Four&lt;/em&gt; days after Pearl Harbor, it was, actually.

That squared away, I&#039;ll add that I saw the invasion of Iraq in 2003 as a plausible and morally justifiable step in the war against Islamic terrorists.   It was by no means taken &quot;unilaterally&quot; by Bush over mere cultural and political disagreement.   Nor did Bush advance lies as a means to justify it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Four</em> days after Pearl Harbor, it was, actually.</p>
<p>That squared away, I&#8217;ll add that I saw the invasion of Iraq in 2003 as a plausible and morally justifiable step in the war against Islamic terrorists.   It was by no means taken &#8220;unilaterally&#8221; by Bush over mere cultural and political disagreement.   Nor did Bush advance lies as a means to justify it. </p>
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		<title>By: Linda Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller:  &lt;em&gt;When the U.S. was attacked at Pearl Harbor, we didn’t just declare war on Japan, we declared war on Germany.&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s worth pointing out, particularly for purposes of comparison with OIF, that &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Germany declared war on the US&lt;/a&gt; three days after Pearl Harbor and prior to Roosevelt&#039;s request for Congress to declare war on Germany in 1941.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller:  <em>When the U.S. was attacked at Pearl Harbor, we didn’t just declare war on Japan, we declared war on Germany.</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out, particularly for purposes of comparison with OIF, that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm" rel="nofollow">Germany declared war on the US</a> three days after Pearl Harbor and prior to Roosevelt&#8217;s request for Congress to declare war on Germany in 1941.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should never expect more in return than they&#039;re prepared to give, Mr. Lovece. You can certainly come on here and post fatuous ideological bunk like &quot;Bush lied&quot;, or claim the vanity of &quot;how dare you accuse me of not understanding what I clearly do not understand&quot;. I won&#039;t delete it. But what you cannot do Mr. Lovece, is then demand the charity of reason, after having so abused it yourself. That is offensive, and any reply will be curt and mocking, as it was and is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should never expect more in return than they&#8217;re prepared to give, Mr. Lovece. You can certainly come on here and post fatuous ideological bunk like &#8220;Bush lied&#8221;, or claim the vanity of &#8220;how dare you accuse me of not understanding what I clearly do not understand&#8221;. I won&#8217;t delete it. But what you cannot do Mr. Lovece, is then demand the charity of reason, after having so abused it yourself. That is offensive, and any reply will be curt and mocking, as it was and is.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lovece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lovece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes.  And that&#039;s exactly the kind of reasoned, intelligent response I expected to get.

You know, Ann Coulter really isn&#039;t a role model.

Good speaking with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes.  And that&#8217;s exactly the kind of reasoned, intelligent response I expected to get.</p>
<p>You know, Ann Coulter really isn&#8217;t a role model.</p>
<p>Good speaking with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After your first sentence: Wow, that was awfully presumptuous of me to have written.
 After your second sentence: Fortunately I was entirely correct in the presumption.
 After your third sentence: I was actually too charitable in it.
 After your fourth sentence: Pressing submit in disgust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After your first sentence: Wow, that was awfully presumptuous of me to have written.<br />
 After your second sentence: Fortunately I was entirely correct in the presumption.<br />
 After your third sentence: I was actually too charitable in it.<br />
 After your fourth sentence: Pressing submit in disgust.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lovece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lovece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of typos above.  Forgive me ... it&#039;s 3:26 a.m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of typos above.  Forgive me &#8230; it&#8217;s 3:26 a.m.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lovece</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/12/22/frank-millers-geostrategic-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-225836</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Lovece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Frank Lovece does understand the war in Iraq as well as anyone else who reads two to three newspapers a day and follows current events professionally as a journalist. And like the vast majority of Americans, I still do not believe we have the right to unilaterally topple a sovereign state whose religion and politics we don&#039;t agree with.  Ironically, I also don&#039;t think the Bush administration believes that either, or it would not have made up falsehoods about weapons of mass destruction.  If the administration truly beieved its actions were justifiable, there would have been no need to lie.

9/11 happened on my island -- on my home.  With no cell phone service, clogged-up landlines, and essentially no transportation, I had to ensure my kids were safe and gather them from their separate schools.  Islamic fundamentalism and terror is no abstraction in my life, or the lives of my Manhattan neighbors. We follow it. And you&#039;d be hard-pressed to find any of us who don&#039;t oppose the war the Iraq, or who don&#039;t feel bin Laden should have been the priority target, and not Saddam Hussein.

That said, hey ... the fact I was able to cover as much ground as I did with Miller in the 17 minutes allotted was a feat in itself !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Frank Lovece does understand the war in Iraq as well as anyone else who reads two to three newspapers a day and follows current events professionally as a journalist. And like the vast majority of Americans, I still do not believe we have the right to unilaterally topple a sovereign state whose religion and politics we don&#8217;t agree with.  Ironically, I also don&#8217;t think the Bush administration believes that either, or it would not have made up falsehoods about weapons of mass destruction.  If the administration truly beieved its actions were justifiable, there would have been no need to lie.</p>
<p>9/11 happened on my island &#8212; on my home.  With no cell phone service, clogged-up landlines, and essentially no transportation, I had to ensure my kids were safe and gather them from their separate schools.  Islamic fundamentalism and terror is no abstraction in my life, or the lives of my Manhattan neighbors. We follow it. And you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to find any of us who don&#8217;t oppose the war the Iraq, or who don&#8217;t feel bin Laden should have been the priority target, and not Saddam Hussein.</p>
<p>That said, hey &#8230; the fact I was able to cover as much ground as I did with Miller in the 17 minutes allotted was a feat in itself !</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;PPS: Saddam Hussein had &lt;strong&gt;nothing whatsoever&lt;/strong&gt; to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden — who, incidentally, remains at liberty despite having personally ordered the murder of 3000 Americans — al-Qaida or the Taliban.

&lt;/em&gt;Yes, and so what. The problem we face with Islamic terrrorism isn&#039;t limited to bin Laden and al Qaida. President Bush put in place a big picture approach to dealing with the problem. 

At this point, bin Laden is essentially irrelevent. Islamic terror remains, and we must adopt a wider response than just a hunt for al Qaida. 

What&#039;s the left&#039;s plan to deal with the problem? As far as I can tell, the left simply wants to play pretend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>PPS: Saddam Hussein had <strong>nothing whatsoever</strong> to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden — who, incidentally, remains at liberty despite having personally ordered the murder of 3000 Americans — al-Qaida or the Taliban.</p>
<p></em>Yes, and so what. The problem we face with Islamic terrrorism isn&#8217;t limited to bin Laden and al Qaida. President Bush put in place a big picture approach to dealing with the problem. </p>
<p>At this point, bin Laden is essentially irrelevent. Islamic terror remains, and we must adopt a wider response than just a hunt for al Qaida. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the left&#8217;s plan to deal with the problem? As far as I can tell, the left simply wants to play pretend.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a democratic and sane government has the &lt;em&gt;potential&lt;/em&gt; to stablize the region&quot;

&quot;a &lt;em&gt;potential&lt;/em&gt; terrorist sponser&quot;

An equivocal NeoConservative?! What next -- a vegetarian great white shark? A Tsavo maneater volunteering at a hospice?

PS: Learn to spell.

PPS: Saddam Hussein had &lt;strong&gt;nothing whatsoever&lt;/strong&gt; to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden -- who, incidentally, remains at liberty despite having personally ordered the murder of 3000 Americans -- al-Qaida or the Taliban.

Frank Miller is the Ann Coulter of comics, a hateful, scaremongering hack who&#039;s been on the slide since &lt;em&gt;Hard Boiled&lt;/em&gt; in the early 90s.

Goodbye. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a democratic and sane government has the <em>potential</em> to stablize the region&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;a <em>potential</em> terrorist sponser&#8221;</p>
<p>An equivocal NeoConservative?! What next &#8212; a vegetarian great white shark? A Tsavo maneater volunteering at a hospice?</p>
<p>PS: Learn to spell.</p>
<p>PPS: Saddam Hussein had <strong>nothing whatsoever</strong> to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden &#8212; who, incidentally, remains at liberty despite having personally ordered the murder of 3000 Americans &#8212; al-Qaida or the Taliban.</p>
<p>Frank Miller is the Ann Coulter of comics, a hateful, scaremongering hack who&#8217;s been on the slide since <em>Hard Boiled</em> in the early 90s.</p>
<p>Goodbye. </p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver,

Germany couldn&#039;t invade England, let alone become a serious threat to the US. Japan&#039;s attack on Pearl Harbor was essentially suicide, it was based upon the hope that the US lacked the will to fight--otherwise the essential logic of economics dictated sure defeat for Japan. 

Germany and Japan were a more serious conventional military threat than Saddam&#039;s Iraq, it is true, but just like Iraq, neither was capable of defeating the US. 

Saddam&#039;s Iraq was a rouge state in the center of the Middle East. Removing Saddam and replacing him with a democratic and sane government has the potential to stablize the region and transform Iraq from a potential terrorist sponser into an ally on the war on Islamic terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver,</p>
<p>Germany couldn&#8217;t invade England, let alone become a serious threat to the US. Japan&#8217;s attack on Pearl Harbor was essentially suicide, it was based upon the hope that the US lacked the will to fight&#8211;otherwise the essential logic of economics dictated sure defeat for Japan. </p>
<p>Germany and Japan were a more serious conventional military threat than Saddam&#8217;s Iraq, it is true, but just like Iraq, neither was capable of defeating the US. </p>
<p>Saddam&#8217;s Iraq was a rouge state in the center of the Middle East. Removing Saddam and replacing him with a democratic and sane government has the potential to stablize the region and transform Iraq from a potential terrorist sponser into an ally on the war on Islamic terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US declared war on both Japan and Germany because those countries were in a sworn alliance and a genuine military threat to Western democracies.

Saddam Hussein, as unpleasant as he was, was no more capable of threatening Western civilisation than Robert Mugabe or Fidel Castro, and had &lt;strong&gt;nothing whatsoever&lt;/strong&gt; to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden, al-Qaida or the Taliban.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US declared war on both Japan and Germany because those countries were in a sworn alliance and a genuine military threat to Western democracies.</p>
<p>Saddam Hussein, as unpleasant as he was, was no more capable of threatening Western civilisation than Robert Mugabe or Fidel Castro, and had <strong>nothing whatsoever</strong> to do with 9/11, Osama bin Laden, al-Qaida or the Taliban.   </p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The only reasons for war should be if we were attacked or if there is a humanitarian crisis (i.e. the Halocaust.)
&lt;/em&gt;


Uh, Saddam had in fact caused multiple humanitarian crisis in Iraq and the region. However, besides that, we need to fight for other reasons. Consider the Cold War, where we chose to fight some battles (Korea, Vietnam, El Salvador) and not fight others (Hungary). In the end we won, by fighting the communists and putting as much pressure on them as we could. 

Evil has to be fought, and sometimes we need to fight it even when we are not being attacked and genocide isn&#039;t ongoing. 

Ceding iniative to the bad guys is a plan--for failure. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The only reasons for war should be if we were attacked or if there is a humanitarian crisis (i.e. the Halocaust.)<br />
</em></p>
<p>Uh, Saddam had in fact caused multiple humanitarian crisis in Iraq and the region. However, besides that, we need to fight for other reasons. Consider the Cold War, where we chose to fight some battles (Korea, Vietnam, El Salvador) and not fight others (Hungary). In the end we won, by fighting the communists and putting as much pressure on them as we could. </p>
<p>Evil has to be fought, and sometimes we need to fight it even when we are not being attacked and genocide isn&#8217;t ongoing. </p>
<p>Ceding iniative to the bad guys is a plan&#8211;for failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Forward to Yesterday - Bob Westal Classic Film, Movie, &#38; Television Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forward to Yesterday - Bob Westal Classic Film, Movie, &#38; Television Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by the politics of its creator. Yet, Miller (who, though many don&#8217;t know it, is a pretty open neoconservative) seems to make it impossible for me to ignore as he transforms Eisner&#8217;s pragmatic optimism to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by the politics of its creator. Yet, Miller (who, though many don&#8217;t know it, is a pretty open neoconservative) seems to make it impossible for me to ignore as he transforms Eisner&#8217;s pragmatic optimism to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miraj,

The holocaust had nothing at all to do with us declaring war on and attacking Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miraj,</p>
<p>The holocaust had nothing at all to do with us declaring war on and attacking Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Miraj Patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miraj Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller needs to understand that there is a huge difference between attacking Germany and attacking Iraq. There was genocide occurring in Germany. We should never attack a country for what they believe in because frankly, by forcing democracy on them we are acting like dictators of the world. The only reasons for war should be if we were attacked or if there is a humanitarian crisis (i.e. the Halocaust.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller needs to understand that there is a huge difference between attacking Germany and attacking Iraq. There was genocide occurring in Germany. We should never attack a country for what they believe in because frankly, by forcing democracy on them we are acting like dictators of the world. The only reasons for war should be if we were attacked or if there is a humanitarian crisis (i.e. the Halocaust.)</p>
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