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		<title>By: Gino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   I heard that once we find the bottom of the housing market, things will plane-out for a while...Then with the speed of a funeral dirge, prices will ascend, the stock market will react positively and all will be well in &#039;mudville&#039;.  The problem is, the bottom will only be revealed after it has been there for quite some time.  So the entire process will be as slow and painful as a &lt;em&gt;baroque sarabande&lt;/em&gt;.  So take comfort and remember the words of @#!%*&amp;$^*^%$^, who said, &quot;The true measure of a person is not how well one does when things are going well; But how well one does when things are going to hell.&quot;  So needless to say there will be a lot of oppertunity for us all to be measured in the coming months.  Check that...years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>   I heard that once we find the bottom of the housing market, things will plane-out for a while&#8230;Then with the speed of a funeral dirge, prices will ascend, the stock market will react positively and all will be well in &#8216;mudville&#8217;.  The problem is, the bottom will only be revealed after it has been there for quite some time.  So the entire process will be as slow and painful as a <em>baroque sarabande</em>.  So take comfort and remember the words of @#!%*&amp;$^*^%$^, who said, &#8220;The true measure of a person is not how well one does when things are going well; But how well one does when things are going to hell.&#8221;  So needless to say there will be a lot of oppertunity for us all to be measured in the coming months.  Check that&#8230;years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gino,

Unfortunately my thought that this was likely to be a long shallow recession was optimistic. I mentioned the &quot;fat tail&quot; risks to the downside, and definitely we are seeing those manifest themselves. 

As for my crystal ball, I wish I had one, but to the extent I have any insight, most of my economic and investment thoughts and discussion of the kinds of things to do to protect oneself that are not here can be found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://riskandreturn.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Risk and Return&lt;/a&gt;. I started there in January, and it has unfortunately not been pleasant. One long bearish slog of me saying things were worse than people thought, that the market would lose at least 35%, that the housing bubble and credit crisis were a huge disaster and my only concern was that I was probably too optimistic.

I do try and lighten it up with black humor though!

So, if you can stand that kind of thing feel free to drop me a note on your thoughts about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gino,</p>
<p>Unfortunately my thought that this was likely to be a long shallow recession was optimistic. I mentioned the &#8220;fat tail&#8221; risks to the downside, and definitely we are seeing those manifest themselves. </p>
<p>As for my crystal ball, I wish I had one, but to the extent I have any insight, most of my economic and investment thoughts and discussion of the kinds of things to do to protect oneself that are not here can be found at <a href="http://riskandreturn.net" rel="nofollow">Risk and Return</a>. I started there in January, and it has unfortunately not been pleasant. One long bearish slog of me saying things were worse than people thought, that the market would lose at least 35%, that the housing bubble and credit crisis were a huge disaster and my only concern was that I was probably too optimistic.</p>
<p>I do try and lighten it up with black humor though!</p>
<p>So, if you can stand that kind of thing feel free to drop me a note on your thoughts about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;and the numbers will get significantly worse by year end&#039;...So just where do you keep that crystal ball Lance???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;and the numbers will get significantly worse by year end&#8217;&#8230;So just where do you keep that crystal ball Lance???</p>
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		<title>By: starting lawn mowing business</title>
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		<dc:creator>starting lawn mowing business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope there will be better days ahead for everyone now that the election is over and this is what we&#039;ve been praying for when he begins to assume presidency next year in January ( you know who...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope there will be better days ahead for everyone now that the election is over and this is what we&#8217;ve been praying for when he begins to assume presidency next year in January ( you know who&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good round up. I see all of these factors interacting. Inflation, economic pressures and the promise of a higher minimum wage are all stimulating labor supply, especially amongst those not presently working (which includes large numbers of students and teenagers.)&lt;/p&gt;
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Meanwhile, the economy is weakening at the same time as low value wage rates are rising (due to the minimum wage) which makes hiring at the low end even more problematic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My best guess, the NBER will ultimately rule we entered recession a good while ago, probably December, and the numbers will get significantly worse by year end. Unemployment is a lagging indicator typically. The recession will not be particularly deep (though the &quot;fat tail risks&quot; are much higher in this downturn than most) but the economy will be weak for much longer than the last two recessions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And yes, the minimum wage raise will ultimately be a large factor in making it worse at the low end of the wage scale than it should be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good round up. I see all of these factors interacting. Inflation, economic pressures and the promise of a higher minimum wage are all stimulating labor supply, especially amongst those not presently working (which includes large numbers of students and teenagers.)</p>
<p>
Meanwhile, the economy is weakening at the same time as low value wage rates are rising (due to the minimum wage) which makes hiring at the low end even more problematic.</p>
<p>My best guess, the NBER will ultimately rule we entered recession a good while ago, probably December, and the numbers will get significantly worse by year end. Unemployment is a lagging indicator typically. The recession will not be particularly deep (though the &#8220;fat tail risks&#8221; are much higher in this downturn than most) but the economy will be weak for much longer than the last two recessions.</p>
<p>And yes, the minimum wage raise will ultimately be a large factor in making it worse at the low end of the wage scale than it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minimum wage is like price controls (except they work in the opposite direction), and both are economically stupid ideas. 

The only people who support wage laws are those who are ingnorant of economics, and pandering politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minimum wage is like price controls (except they work in the opposite direction), and both are economically stupid ideas. </p>
<p>The only people who support wage laws are those who are ingnorant of economics, and pandering politicians.</p>
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