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		<title>By: PanamaJohn</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/02/28/citizen-mccain/comment-page-1/#comment-203381</link>
		<dc:creator>PanamaJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 17:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new and detailed presentation of the evidence regarding John McCain and natural born Citizen was just published here: http://JohnMcCain.dominates.us

I don&#039;t think the Panama birth issue will just go away.

The great significance to me is this:

 * I don&#039;t think John McCain meets the criteria of natural born Citizen.
 * We really don&#039;t need the next president to be weakened by such things that seem on the surface to be trivial.
 * The integrity of the Constitution is more important than any one presidency.
 * It is tragic that we can&#039;t do anything about it until it is too late.

This is a very big issue that much of the press has dismissed.  It is not generally a popular issue today, but if John McCain gets elected, a year from now, this issue will be bigger than ever.  Those who would protest McCain&#039;s presidency could use this.  It is important to settle the matter before the election.

It would be an embarrassment for McCain to be sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and later for the court to need to objectively deal with the issue.  It makes the 2000 election and the vote recount look like so much of nothing.

See more discussion at http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us/forum and take part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new and detailed presentation of the evidence regarding John McCain and natural born Citizen was just published here: <a href="http://JohnMcCain.dominates.us" rel="nofollow">http://JohnMcCain.dominates.us</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Panama birth issue will just go away.</p>
<p>The great significance to me is this:</p>
<p> * I don&#8217;t think John McCain meets the criteria of natural born Citizen.<br />
 * We really don&#8217;t need the next president to be weakened by such things that seem on the surface to be trivial.<br />
 * The integrity of the Constitution is more important than any one presidency.<br />
 * It is tragic that we can&#8217;t do anything about it until it is too late.</p>
<p>This is a very big issue that much of the press has dismissed.  It is not generally a popular issue today, but if John McCain gets elected, a year from now, this issue will be bigger than ever.  Those who would protest McCain&#8217;s presidency could use this.  It is important to settle the matter before the election.</p>
<p>It would be an embarrassment for McCain to be sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and later for the court to need to objectively deal with the issue.  It makes the 2000 election and the vote recount look like so much of nothing.</p>
<p>See more discussion at <a href="http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us/forum" rel="nofollow">http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us/forum</a> and take part.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roland.  You&#039;re now quoted and linked above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Roland.  You&#8217;re now quoted and linked above.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Dodds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Dodds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://butiamaliberal.blogspot.com/2008/02/worst-case-against-mccain-yet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I wrote about this non issue last week&lt;/a&gt;, and it was brought to my attention through a far right wing radio network called the American Voice (which has plenty of connections to conspiracy theorists like Bo Gritz).

As for McCain, I am sure he is pretty happy to have an issue like this as his “scandal” rather than some of the other things I am sure NYTimes has planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://butiamaliberal.blogspot.com/2008/02/worst-case-against-mccain-yet.html" rel="nofollow">I wrote about this non issue last week</a>, and it was brought to my attention through a far right wing radio network called the American Voice (which has plenty of connections to conspiracy theorists like Bo Gritz).</p>
<p>As for McCain, I am sure he is pretty happy to have an issue like this as his “scandal” rather than some of the other things I am sure NYTimes has planned.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl Hulse, and I suppose his editors, were really straining to make this an issue.  

It&#039;s the kind of legal question that law professors tend to love, because there is no settled case law on it and because a &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; clever argument might be made that runs counter to the established interpretation.  In the real world, however, clever arguments usually make for losing cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl Hulse, and I suppose his editors, were really straining to make this an issue.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the kind of legal question that law professors tend to love, because there is no settled case law on it and because a <i>really</i> clever argument might be made that runs counter to the established interpretation.  In the real world, however, clever arguments usually make for losing cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Synova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son was born in the Philippines.

It&#039;s hard to express just how...  ugh.    Parents worry about this?   Hell, no they don&#039;t.   Never have, never do.    My son is a US citizen by birth.    Born overseas while I was serving in the US fricking military.

The NYTimes can go give themselves an enema,  or something.   Since that seems to be what they&#039;re good at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son was born in the Philippines.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to express just how&#8230;  ugh.    Parents worry about this?   Hell, no they don&#8217;t.   Never have, never do.    My son is a US citizen by birth.    Born overseas while I was serving in the US fricking military.</p>
<p>The NYTimes can go give themselves an enema,  or something.   Since that seems to be what they&#8217;re good at.</p>
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