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	<title>Comments on: The Democrat&#8217;s Continuing Quagmire</title>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2007/09/11/the-democrats-continuing-quagmire/comment-page-1/#comment-60338</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not agree with Pogue on much, but I&#039;ll second the twit thing. It&#039;s not nice to show up to the party flinging poo at those who have been there awhile. You&#039;re out of your element here Jsoh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not agree with Pogue on much, but I&#8217;ll second the twit thing. It&#8217;s not nice to show up to the party flinging poo at those who have been there awhile. You&#8217;re out of your element here Jsoh.</p>
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		<title>By: PogueMahone</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2007/09/11/the-democrats-continuing-quagmire/comment-page-1/#comment-60336</link>
		<dc:creator>PogueMahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jsoh, 
You’re just a twit.

Yeah, I’m just a Stalinist &lt;em&gt;pretending&lt;/em&gt; to care about thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.  I’m simply doing this for shits and giggles.

Puh-leez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jsoh,<br />
You’re just a twit.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m just a Stalinist <em>pretending</em> to care about thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.  I’m simply doing this for shits and giggles.</p>
<p>Puh-leez.</p>
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		<title>By: PogueMahone</title>
		<link>http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2007/09/11/the-democrats-continuing-quagmire/comment-page-1/#comment-60335</link>
		<dc:creator>PogueMahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Put Pogue, the Democrats running for President describe such a dire state of the nation, and here you are claiming, that people aren’t dieing as a result of their inaction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Keith, I’m making no such claim.  Your pulled quote is unimpressively mocking the Dems for not getting things done about FDA overhaul bills and appropriation bills.  Where do you get, “you are claiming, that people aren’t dieing as a result of their inaction.”  

I mean honestly, where the hell did that come from???

Besides, that’s not the point I’m making anyway.

&lt;blockquote&gt; The point is, the Democrats made big promises, and are failing to deliver. And they aren’t being shot at. And they’ve had years of practice at this democracy thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My point is that your point makes no sense.
It’s the FACT that no one is getting shot at, and we’re not spending hundreds of billions of my tax dollars abroad that makes the comparison fallacious.  If it were the opposite, then you might be able to backbite congress.  

Otherwise, the comparison is just silly.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Put Pogue, the Democrats running for President describe such a dire state of the nation, and here you are claiming, that people aren’t dieing as a result of their inaction.</p></blockquote>
<p>But Keith, I’m making no such claim.  Your pulled quote is unimpressively mocking the Dems for not getting things done about FDA overhaul bills and appropriation bills.  Where do you get, “you are claiming, that people aren’t dieing as a result of their inaction.”  </p>
<p>I mean honestly, where the hell did that come from???</p>
<p>Besides, that’s not the point I’m making anyway.</p>
<blockquote><p> The point is, the Democrats made big promises, and are failing to deliver. And they aren’t being shot at. And they’ve had years of practice at this democracy thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>My point is that your point makes no sense.<br />
It’s the FACT that no one is getting shot at, and we’re not spending hundreds of billions of my tax dollars abroad that makes the comparison fallacious.  If it were the opposite, then you might be able to backbite congress.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, the comparison is just silly.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jsoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jsoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pogue doesn&#039;t mind people dying in Iraq or other countries.

As long as they don&#039;t show up on his (her?) news.  Which is the big issue in Iraq for the stalinists, it&#039;s taking up pwecious news cycles.  Before America showed up, the population was being slaughtered anonymously.  Now suddenly we have to hear about it, we have to act like we care.  We just can&#039;t abide that, can we Pogue?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogue doesn&#8217;t mind people dying in Iraq or other countries.</p>
<p>As long as they don&#8217;t show up on his (her?) news.  Which is the big issue in Iraq for the stalinists, it&#8217;s taking up pwecious news cycles.  Before America showed up, the population was being slaughtered anonymously.  Now suddenly we have to hear about it, we have to act like we care.  We just can&#8217;t abide that, can we Pogue?</p>
<p> <img src='http://asecondhandconjecture.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keith_Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith_Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put Pogue, the Democrats running for President describe such a dire state of the nation, and here you are claiming, that people aren&#039;t dieing as a result of their inaction.

What about, all those deaths from global warming, unregulated guns, abortions not being performed, relaxed environmental regulations, fetal stem cells not being collected and turned into miracle medicine, etc...

If things are as dire as they say they are, they ought to have made getting our own house in order a priority.

The point is, the Democrats made big promises, and are failing to deliver.  And they aren&#039;t being shot at.  And they&#039;ve had years of practice at this democracy thing.

This isn&#039;t to justify anything except a call for a bit of patience and perspective.  Something missing from many peoples arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put Pogue, the Democrats running for President describe such a dire state of the nation, and here you are claiming, that people aren&#8217;t dieing as a result of their inaction.</p>
<p>What about, all those deaths from global warming, unregulated guns, abortions not being performed, relaxed environmental regulations, fetal stem cells not being collected and turned into miracle medicine, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>If things are as dire as they say they are, they ought to have made getting our own house in order a priority.</p>
<p>The point is, the Democrats made big promises, and are failing to deliver.  And they aren&#8217;t being shot at.  And they&#8217;ve had years of practice at this democracy thing.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to justify anything except a call for a bit of patience and perspective.  Something missing from many peoples arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I thought it was funny, Pogue, but of course in my mind us being there is not causing the fiery deaths at this point, but preventing a great many. I may be wrong, but that makes the point a bit more important given that belief. Which doesn&#039;t excuse their inability to get their act together, but it also shows coming to agreement is hard, and we shouldn&#039;t expect it to be quick. That is the point, as unsatisfying as it may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I thought it was funny, Pogue, but of course in my mind us being there is not causing the fiery deaths at this point, but preventing a great many. I may be wrong, but that makes the point a bit more important given that belief. Which doesn&#8217;t excuse their inability to get their act together, but it also shows coming to agreement is hard, and we shouldn&#8217;t expect it to be quick. That is the point, as unsatisfying as it may be.</p>
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		<title>By: PogueMahone</title>
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		<dc:creator>PogueMahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Lance, my house is in complete disarray.  But the difference is of course, is that nobody is dieing a fiery death, nor is anyone spending billions of dollars because I haven’t gotten around to replacing my water heater.

And the same is true for the US congress.
Sure they can’t seem to pass simple legislation due to their own incompetence, and some might argue that that is a good thing, but I don’t see tens of thousands dieing in the street because of that fact.

To compare the two is beyond ridiculous.  And to justify our expense at that comparison is moronic.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Lance, my house is in complete disarray.  But the difference is of course, is that nobody is dieing a fiery death, nor is anyone spending billions of dollars because I haven’t gotten around to replacing my water heater.</p>
<p>And the same is true for the US congress.<br />
Sure they can’t seem to pass simple legislation due to their own incompetence, and some might argue that that is a good thing, but I don’t see tens of thousands dieing in the street because of that fact.</p>
<p>To compare the two is beyond ridiculous.  And to justify our expense at that comparison is moronic.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can throw rocks Pogue, it is the Congress which cannot get its own house in order. That may be true of you as well, but I haven&#039;t made it over yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can throw rocks Pogue, it is the Congress which cannot get its own house in order. That may be true of you as well, but I haven&#8217;t made it over yet.</p>
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		<title>By: PogueMahone</title>
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		<dc:creator>PogueMahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You crack me up with your “people in glass houses” routine, Keith.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Who are these people to complain that the Iraqis aren’t making sufficient political progress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because, according to you, since we don’t have a well oiled machine for a government, that completely justifies spending hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands and thousands of American lives.

I’ll make a deal with you.  I’ll stop throwing rocks, when the Iraqis finally have a house to throw them at.

Deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You crack me up with your “people in glass houses” routine, Keith.</p>
<blockquote><p>Who are these people to complain that the Iraqis aren’t making sufficient political progress.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because, according to you, since we don’t have a well oiled machine for a government, that completely justifies spending hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands and thousands of American lives.</p>
<p>I’ll make a deal with you.  I’ll stop throwing rocks, when the Iraqis finally have a house to throw them at.</p>
<p>Deal?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking of redeploying to Okinawa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking of redeploying to Okinawa.</p>
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