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	<title>Comments on: Fred Thompson and the disturbing need to hunt down gaffes</title>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He never said it was the main reason, or I should say we don&#039;t know it from what was printed. It was off the cuff from what I can see, but maybe not.


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You’re the one putting a lot of claims in my mouth that aren’t there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually that is fair. I don&#039;t think it was stupid, and I gather it was the reporter who made it sound stupid, but you are right. I merely linked to you as one calling people stupid. I wanted people to have a feel for the various comments. I really wasn&#039;t addressing the post to you and most of what I was saying is more properly addressed to others. My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He never said it was the main reason, or I should say we don&#8217;t know it from what was printed. It was off the cuff from what I can see, but maybe not.</p>
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You’re the one putting a lot of claims in my mouth that aren’t there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually that is fair. I don&#8217;t think it was stupid, and I gather it was the reporter who made it sound stupid, but you are right. I merely linked to you as one calling people stupid. I wanted people to have a feel for the various comments. I really wasn&#8217;t addressing the post to you and most of what I was saying is more properly addressed to others. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Fair to bring it up? Perhaps, but arguably the least of the concerns compared to many others least of all the punishment involved. Personally I&#039;d probably bring up the repeated beheadings as a good reason that they decided to fight back, but that&#039;s just me.

2. I never claimed it wasn&#039;t true. I said it was stupid and I stand by the assessment. Having grown up with smokers I&#039;m aware how important the issue is to those who indulge, but even they wouldn&#039;t pick that as the first reason to revolt against AQI. I guess they just don&#039;t have their priorities as straight as Mr. Thompson.

3.  I never said he doesn&#039;t deserve to be president for the comment. I never suggested people shouldn&#039;t vote for him for saying it. I said it makes him look like an idiot. What I&#039;m really sick of is people who claim I said things I didn&#039;t say. 

4. I did giggle and make a snarky remark. That&#039;s pretty much the whole point of my entry. I thought it was a stupid thing to say and I said as much. You&#039;re the one putting a lot of claims in my mouth that aren&#039;t there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Fair to bring it up? Perhaps, but arguably the least of the concerns compared to many others least of all the punishment involved. Personally I&#8217;d probably bring up the repeated beheadings as a good reason that they decided to fight back, but that&#8217;s just me.</p>
<p>2. I never claimed it wasn&#8217;t true. I said it was stupid and I stand by the assessment. Having grown up with smokers I&#8217;m aware how important the issue is to those who indulge, but even they wouldn&#8217;t pick that as the first reason to revolt against AQI. I guess they just don&#8217;t have their priorities as straight as Mr. Thompson.</p>
<p>3.  I never said he doesn&#8217;t deserve to be president for the comment. I never suggested people shouldn&#8217;t vote for him for saying it. I said it makes him look like an idiot. What I&#8217;m really sick of is people who claim I said things I didn&#8217;t say. </p>
<p>4. I did giggle and make a snarky remark. That&#8217;s pretty much the whole point of my entry. I thought it was a stupid thing to say and I said as much. You&#8217;re the one putting a lot of claims in my mouth that aren&#8217;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. It is true, or at least it is true in the sense that it has been reported and it is as fair to bring up as anything else.

2. You have no idea of the context. So even if your excuse held any water, you don&#039;t know that. The report didn&#039;t give us any details to judge. We don&#039;t even know the attendees were puzzled, just that the reporter said so. the bloggers mentioned, including you, complaint wasn&#039;t based on it sounding flip, but that it wasn&#039;t true and ridiculous. Smoking is pretty important to many people, just like outlawing beer in Germany would create a backlash. 

3. it was a talk, not a full exegesis. As I said, by the standard you just applied nobody deserves to be president, because nobody can avoid saying true things day after day that one doesn&#039;t give enough explanation for. Don&#039;t you hate it when that kind of thing is done to liberals, and then the people opposing him refuse to admit that he or she had a point? I really get tired of it, and it was tiring when it was turned on Kerry and Gore as well.

4. You may still think it is stupid, but is it stupider than a bunch of people rolling their eyes at what they consider to be some made up right wing fantasy when in fact it was true? Pardon me if I don&#039;t agree. It isn&#039;t a big deal, as long as you sit back and reflect at how silly it is to try and make hay about such things in the first place. If it wasn&#039;t true, giggle. make a snarky remark, but you have to know it is pretty meaningless. If you don&#039;t, well get a life. There is too much of that kind of thing already, why be more wood on that fire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. It is true, or at least it is true in the sense that it has been reported and it is as fair to bring up as anything else.</p>
<p>2. You have no idea of the context. So even if your excuse held any water, you don&#8217;t know that. The report didn&#8217;t give us any details to judge. We don&#8217;t even know the attendees were puzzled, just that the reporter said so. the bloggers mentioned, including you, complaint wasn&#8217;t based on it sounding flip, but that it wasn&#8217;t true and ridiculous. Smoking is pretty important to many people, just like outlawing beer in Germany would create a backlash. </p>
<p>3. it was a talk, not a full exegesis. As I said, by the standard you just applied nobody deserves to be president, because nobody can avoid saying true things day after day that one doesn&#8217;t give enough explanation for. Don&#8217;t you hate it when that kind of thing is done to liberals, and then the people opposing him refuse to admit that he or she had a point? I really get tired of it, and it was tiring when it was turned on Kerry and Gore as well.</p>
<p>4. You may still think it is stupid, but is it stupider than a bunch of people rolling their eyes at what they consider to be some made up right wing fantasy when in fact it was true? Pardon me if I don&#8217;t agree. It isn&#8217;t a big deal, as long as you sit back and reflect at how silly it is to try and make hay about such things in the first place. If it wasn&#8217;t true, giggle. make a snarky remark, but you have to know it is pretty meaningless. If you don&#8217;t, well get a life. There is too much of that kind of thing already, why be more wood on that fire?</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but even if it&#039;s true it&#039;s a pretty stupid answer from Fred Thompson. I can&#039;t say for certain, but I&#039;d be willing to guess that it&#039;s not so much the &quot;you can&#039;t smoke&quot; that they have a problem with so much as the cutting off the fingers method of enforcing it. With all the crap the Iraqi&#039;s are currently putting up with from AQI you&#039;d would think he&#039;d make a point of stressing the torture aspect more so that the restriction on smoking. 

The response as it stands sounds flippant and, quite honestly, stupid. It&#039;s not the sort of thing that would keep me from voting for the man  --  there are plenty of other more serious reasons I wouldn&#039;t vote for him  --  but it does nothing to buff his image as having any intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but even if it&#8217;s true it&#8217;s a pretty stupid answer from Fred Thompson. I can&#8217;t say for certain, but I&#8217;d be willing to guess that it&#8217;s not so much the &#8220;you can&#8217;t smoke&#8221; that they have a problem with so much as the cutting off the fingers method of enforcing it. With all the crap the Iraqi&#8217;s are currently putting up with from AQI you&#8217;d would think he&#8217;d make a point of stressing the torture aspect more so that the restriction on smoking. </p>
<p>The response as it stands sounds flippant and, quite honestly, stupid. It&#8217;s not the sort of thing that would keep me from voting for the man  &#8212;  there are plenty of other more serious reasons I wouldn&#8217;t vote for him  &#8212;  but it does nothing to buff his image as having any intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to post on that. Because, where are all the progressive embeds? I would consider Totten one, but because he keeps reporting things they don&#039;t like he is now not a liberal. It is as if they don&#039;t want to go and find out the complex truth, or hang out there writing things which the men around them know are not true. Even if they did, they would be treated like Totten. Instead we get the Beauchamps of the world. Liars who hide behind anonymity so they can spread manure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to post on that. Because, where are all the progressive embeds? I would consider Totten one, but because he keeps reporting things they don&#8217;t like he is now not a liberal. It is as if they don&#8217;t want to go and find out the complex truth, or hang out there writing things which the men around them know are not true. Even if they did, they would be treated like Totten. Instead we get the Beauchamps of the world. Liars who hide behind anonymity so they can spread manure.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Hollis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Hollis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Other people calling people stupid because they are too ignorant to know better, the ever ready to do so Oliver Willis, The Blue Herald,  Skippy, Lew Rockwell, The Peoples Republic of Seabrook, and Stupid Evil Bastard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As soon as I read the first example of someone slamming Thompson for the remark, I realized the problem. I remembered that I had read about the smoking factor in one of the dispatches from Iraq and that Fred was spot on. And it was obvious that none of the above suspects would be caught dead reading a dispatch from someone on the ground in Iraq, unless that dispatch was from someone sufficiently leftward as to not challenge their preconceptions about how bad the situation is over there. &quot;Michael Yon? Bill Roggio? Bill Ardolino? Michael Totten? Who&#039;s are they?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Other people calling people stupid because they are too ignorant to know better, the ever ready to do so Oliver Willis, The Blue Herald,  Skippy, Lew Rockwell, The Peoples Republic of Seabrook, and Stupid Evil Bastard.</p></blockquote>
<p>As soon as I read the first example of someone slamming Thompson for the remark, I realized the problem. I remembered that I had read about the smoking factor in one of the dispatches from Iraq and that Fred was spot on. And it was obvious that none of the above suspects would be caught dead reading a dispatch from someone on the ground in Iraq, unless that dispatch was from someone sufficiently leftward as to not challenge their preconceptions about how bad the situation is over there. &#8220;Michael Yon? Bill Roggio? Bill Ardolino? Michael Totten? Who&#8217;s are they?&#8221;</p>
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