Comments on: Closing the Book on Cloture

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By: Will Franklin

Will Franklin — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:19:22 +0000

This is so amazingly shameful. But typical.

Just like tax cuts “cost” money and slowing the rate of growth in a government program is a “cut.”

By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:08:19 +0000

My response to Blue Texan aka, Instaputz, can be linked at the trackback above.

By: A Second Hand Conjecture » The Blue Putz Speaks on Cloture

A Second Hand Conjecture » The Blue Putz Speaks on Cloture — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:59:44 +0000

[...] Now, we shouldn’t be too hard on the Instaputz, because he obviously had not read at that time my piece on the history of the media’s coverage of debates such as these. He might, if he had, show a bit of intellectual honesty and admit that while he disagrees with my characterization of the debate, it was curious that the “framing” of the issue changed so dramatically depending on the party. [...]

By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:46:20 +0000

Tom,

I have a vivid imagination:^}

By: Orson

Orson — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:27:43 +0000

DOES the MSM ever learn!!!?!?!?

I say no.

THIS is why I’m a news junkie who has refused his life-long newspaper subscription habit for nine years now.And how does the dwindling newspaper industry respond? By getting worse and more unreliable.

F**k em!

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:19:18 +0000

“… this whole issue of how the Democrats are stifling debate backwards …”

How does one stifle debate backwards?

By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:28:02 +0000

I have another post coming on this. I am going to examine the pushback, which is actually kind of amusing.

By: GM Roper

GM Roper — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:05:56 +0000

Great post Lance, now I have to follow up this evening and link back to your post. Sigh, more work. But, on the other hand, when it is spurred by quality like this, it is a true pleasure. Keep up the good work.

By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:05:43 +0000

Becky,

Sure, they make a statement which colors your view and then say things that are technically correct but given the context are unlikely to be read correctly. It is a common technique and many bloggers use it (Glenn Greenwald comes to mind.)

Now, while it leans against Republicans, the Democrats get misrepresented as well. It is a partisan issue, but not exclusively.

John,

You should e-mail that point to Glenn Reynolds. He would appreciate the historical point on the rules evolution I would think.

By: Becky

Becky — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:58:56 +0000

I notice that whenever the press wants to hide the fact that the republicans are acting responsibily they use multiple negatives to cloud the wording.

For example:
against shutting off debate on the issue
(ie: voted for debate)

voted against limiting debate
(ie: voted for debate)

For the ordinary sap like me, it sounds negative just because they used so many negatives.

By: Lance

Lance — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:44:21 +0000

John,

An excellent point. That of course was back in the day when Senate comity was easy to come by since in the end it pretty much didn’t matter what the Republicans wanted, they never had the votes.

By: John Thacker

John Thacker — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:22:38 +0000

In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds (67) to three-fifths (60) of the 100-member Senate.

A fact not entirely unrelated to the Democratic majority of over 60 but less than 67 in that Senate.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:18:38 +0000

No doubt CaptinSarcastic will soon be by to explain that the liberal media is just a myth.

By: MichaelW

MichaelW — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:11:43 +0000

… (stop sniggering Michael) …

Heck, I’m crying at utterly predictable it all is. The Fourth Estate has completely abdicated all responsibility and reason.