The Path of the Kurds: Lessons going forward

A couple of posts back I updated my post on the Kurds with a link to Alex over at Inactivist. Alex made a good point in a comment there:

FWIW, I actually admire the Kurds, for the most part. Or at least the Iraqi Kurds. They found a way to build a more or less liberal society in a very rough neighborhood. They are also one of the few real success stories of American intervention: Without our protection their enclave of self-rule would not exist.

What’s instructive, however, is the limited scope of our intervention. We didn’t send ground troops, we didn’t topple a govenment, we didn’t seize territory, we didn’t even defeat an army. All we did is declare that Saddam Hussein could not use his air force in northern Iraq, and we enforced it with our air power. The Kurds managed it from their, they won their own independence, they had their own civil war (regrettably), and they reached a situation that might not be genuine peace but is surely more peaceful, more stable, more liberal, and more prosperous than the situation in the rest of Iraq.

Now, I would be quite willing to believe that we gave them more support under the table, but the fact remains that it was a very minimal intervention, and a very successful one. I think there are lessons to learn there.

Along those same lines via Instapundit I found this:

Meanwhile, the north is so peaceful that Western journalists, and just about anyone else, can move about freely, without fear of attack. How can this be? Well, for one thing, the Kurds have tight controls on their borders, and any Arabs entering are checked carefully. Arab Iraqis are welcome to visit, and many do, for vacations from the violence in the south. When asked, Kurds attribute their peaceful neighborhood to the fact that Kurds are not Arabs. But this is not the main reason, for the Kurds have, in the past, been as factious and violent as the Iraqi Arabs are now. But during the 1990s, when the U.S. and Britain agreed to keep Saddam’s forces out of the north (to prevent another large scale massacre of Kurds), the Kurds sorted out their differences and learned the benefits of cooperation and law and order. In effect, the Kurds had a ten year head start on the rest of Iraq, in the “how to create peace and democracy” department. The Iraqi Arabs, Sunni and Shia, who come north on business, or for a vacation, note this. The Arabs believe they are superior to the Kurds (“a bunch of hillbillies,” to most Arabs), and find it irritating that the Kurds have made things work, while down south, especially in central Iraq, things are still a mess. Given another seven years, the Iraqi Arabs will probably catch up. But this is not a popular solution to the “Iraq problem,” and no career-conscious journalist is going to talk about it.

Please read the rest.

This leads to two points worth considering, not that they are the answer or a prediction, just worth considering.

The first is that with patience the Iraqi’s may solve this themselves in a relatively positive fashion if we continue to support the government. Whether that means increasing the troops or just waiting it out as we build up the Iraqi army and police we may eventually get the progress we need. Most likely it will be quite a while.

The second point, referencing Alex, may apply to other places we hope to avoid invading, such as Iran. In my interview with Michael Ledeen he described what he had hoped we would have done instead of invading Iraq, or at least beforehand:

I thought, and think still, that our greatest weapon in the war against the terror masters is political, not military: it is the desire of their oppressed peoples to be free. So I want to support those people, just as we did in the Soviet Empire in the 1980s, and all over Latin America, and in the Philippines, Lebanon, Georgia…and here and there in Africa. I basically believe that democratic revolution is the most lethal weapon against the tyrants of the Middle East and elsewhere.

In the specific case of Iraq, I thought the Iraqi people would distrust us because another American president named Bush had betrayed them in 1991, and I advocated steps to show them, and the other peoples of the region, that things would be different this time. I proposed to transform the “no fly” zones in the north and south into “free Iraq” areas, defend them against Saddam, and have the Kurds and Shi’ites create free governments. Then we could say to the rest of the Iraqi people, “look, you don’t have to die for this man. Go north, go south, live like free men and women, and we will work together to bring down the monster.”

Maybe some military something would have been necessary even so. I don’t know. But it would have done two things: demonstrated out basic mission was to spread freedom, and concentrated our minds on the political side of things, which I still believe is paramount.

I don’t believe Iraq is doomed as many do, but I do believe that all of us whether we supported the invasion or not, need to concentrate our minds upon the future in Iraq and elsewhere. Looking back shouldn’t be about mostly, though partly, finding people to blame but looking at what has worked and what might work. Putting the priority in the other order may be politically satisfying but it won’t help us much going forward or help the people of Iraq. I think Alex and Ledeen are onto a path that might help us in the future. Iran will have to be grappled with, mostly because Iran will not stop funding Terror or attempting to find ways to expand its role in the Middle East. In a vein similar to this more political approach to regime change I of course suggest reading the entire interview with Ledeen as a starting point if you haven’t already. Ultimately this is a political and ideological struggle and bringing more to bear on these issues earlier rather than later can help us avoid useless UN dithering, cruel sanctions on the primary victims of these regimes and hopefully having to involve ourselves in as many or as protracted military operations.

I think one thing should be made clear however, I repeatedly hear this issue discussed as if negotiations and political means can be used instead of military force. The term carrots and sticks is often used. It doesn’t work that way. The pressure, whether it is no fly zones or other measures to protect the Kurds or enforce sanctions or whatever path we take in future conflicts only works if we have a stick such as our military and the will to use it and use it decisively. Saying we are unlikely to use military force is a pretty good way to ensure that the only way to succeed is to use it. The antics of Saddam, North Korea and Iran should have demonstrated that by now.

[tags] Kurdistan, Kurds, Iran, Michael Ledeen, Middle East, Iraq, Shia [/tags]

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6 Responses to The Path of the Kurds: Lessons going forward

  1. As I mentioned to Michael in an e-mail, never underestimate the Kurds. Let us not forget that Salah al-Din (Saladin) was a Kurdish warlord, from Mosul, I believe. He was quite effective in not only recapturing Jerusalem from the Second Crusade’s knights, but also stopping Richard the Lionheart’s Third Crusade and reconquering Egypt. In addition, he set up a marvelously run bureaucracy and was quite the diplomat. People constantly underestimate the Kurds just because they are semi-nomadic wanderers with no real home (sounds familiar doesn’t it… think of another vastly underestimated and despised Middle Eastern people who now happen to have a home).

  2. Alex says:

    Lance-

    As far as lessons from the Kurds, the lesson is that outside intervention should be minimal and liberal societies (or some facsimile thereof) can only be established by internal reform efforts.

    Can we apply the same methodology in Iran? I doubt it. I know that Iran has separatist movements among Kurds and Balochis, but I don’t know that it would be a good idea to put ourselves on the side of either movement. It was one thing to support the Iraqi Kurds. But if we also encourage separatist movements among Iran’s Kurds, well, that could put us on a collision course with Turkey, which is not something that we need. Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of sympathy for the Kurds, but there’s a difference between what we would like to do and what we can realistically achieve.

    As for the Balochis, I don’t know as much about that situation, but I do know that there’s also a Balochi separatist movement in Pakistan. I’m not really big on doing anything that might encourage separatist movements in Pakistan. It seems to me that Pakistan already has enough trouble with territorial disputes, what between Taliban sympathizers along one border and a volatile situation along their border with nuclear-armed India.

    So ethnic minority movements are probably not the best people for us to work with in Iran. It’s not that I don’t sympathize with oppressed Kurds and Balochis, it’s just that I’m not prepared to put the US in a confrontation with Turkey or make nuclear-armed and Taliban-plagued Pakistan even more unstable.

    What about defending an enclave in ethnic Persian areas? I don’t know if there’s a good candidate area. Maybe create the Republic of Zoroastria? I dunno.

    I’d say that military meddling in Iran should be a very, very, very last resort, if all else fails in dealing with the nuclear crisis. As a practical matter, any meddling in Iran would require quite a bit of activity:

    1) Bomb nuclear facilities.
    2) Destory the Iranian air force.
    3) Seize territory near the straits of Hormuz, unless you want to fuel our military vehicles with $300/barrel oil.
    4) Defend a free enclave.

    As instructive as I think the case of the Iraqi Kurds is, I’m not sure that we can just apply the same lessons in Iran. It’s a rather tall task.

  3. Lance says:

    I agree Alex, or at least I think so. I am actually thinking about the broader approach of concentrating more on political (though as in the Kurds case, possibly backed by some kind of military guarantees or pressure such as you mention) aspects in an ideological conflict.

    In the case of Iran I, and I know Ledeen, don’t think supporting armed rebellion is the best approach, he mentioned the cautionary case of the Taliban. I will be doing an extensive post surveying and commenting on various ideas as regards Iran. I will say that the more I look at Iran and see the poor options we have, putting more chips (and relatively inexpensive chips as a bonus) on aiding the Democratic opposition looks more and more attractive. That has always been my preference, but the more I read the better the chance that encouraging mass demonstrations, strikes and other methods has a chance to work.

    Maybe we may someday be forced into some kind of large military confrontation, but first I think aiding those who might make such a thing unneccessary should be given a thorough and extended try. Years of extensive contacts, financial support, limited and highly targeted sanctions (generally I do not like sanctions) and other measures helped take down the Soviet Union, Iran’s mullah’s may succumb as well.

  4. Alex says:

    Lance-

    OK, then we’re on the same page.

    I would say that opening up relations with Iran, especially trade relations and easier travel, would be a good way to encourage domestic opposition. A strong and independent private sector is crucial to the long-term political stability of a country.

    I’d be cautious about giving much money to dissident groups, however. A dissident group that gets money from foreign donors risks alienating itself from elements of the public who are not fans of the regime but are nonetheless not exactly big fans of our government, for one reason or another.

    As I blogged at Inactivist a few weeks ago, I think China is a better model for what we should try to do with Iran. China is still no saint, and Mao was certainly a horrible ruler, but the US, China, and the rest of the world are all better off for the courageous decision that Nixon made.

  5. Lance says:

    Maybe,

    but we have been able to support groups in a number of ways in the past without alientaing them. Rhetoric being one way. Having independent groups such as trade unions, NGO’s and other actors conduct much of the direct assistance works well, as does the simple act of rhetoric and talking. That makes a huge difference as the experience in Eastern Europe showed.

    I am not so sure of the China model. I am not saying that Nixon made no difference, but the real changes were internal to the regime and pushed by pressure from dissidents. Mao had to die for change to really occur, and there had to be some who wanted to have it happen. Deng Xiao Peng was not inevitable, it could have played out quite differently.

    That doesn’t mean talking makes no sense, but for opposition to grow it will help if the dissidents heard the talks as encouraging for them, rather than just trying to reach an accomodation with the regime. Anyway, I’ll be posting more om this and look at various models. I’ll let you know when it is up.

    Thanks for stopping by, you do a great job at Inactivist. For those of you visiting and haven’t been there you can read Alex at http://www.inactivist.org. I post there on rainy days as well.

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